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ACU CHAIRMAN DAVID A. KEENE ON THE O'REILLY FACTOR

Fox News Network
Sept. 27, 2002

Transcript from David A. Keene's Appearance on The O'Reilly Factor

O'REILLY: In the "Back of the Book" Segment tonight, a year and a half ago, the American Conservative Union filed a complaint with the Federal Election Commission against Jesse Jackson. The complaint alleged that Jackson's Citizenship Education Fund, a non-profit organization, was being used for political purposes, and so was Jackson's Rainbow/PUSH coalition.

Joining us now from Washington is David Keene, the chairman of the American Conservative Union.

This evening, ACU Chairman David A. Keene will appear in a pre-taped segment on MSNBC's Hardball with Chris Matthews. Be sure to tune in!

Find below a transcript of The Chairman's appearance on The O'Reilly Factor Friday evening.

9-27-2002: Transcript from David A. Keene's Appearance on The O'Reilly Factor

Fox News Network THE O'REILLY FACTOR (20:48) September 27, 2002 Friday Transcript # 092706cb.256

GUESTS: David Keene

BYLINE: Bill O'Reilly

O'REILLY: In the "Back of the Book" Segment tonight, a year and a half ago, the American Conservative Union filed a complaint with the Federal Election Commission against Jesse Jackson. The complaint alleged that Jackson's Citizenship Education Fund, a non-profit organization, was being used for political purposes, and so was Jackson's Rainbow/PUSH coalition.

Joining us now from Washington is David Keene, the chairman of the American Conservative Union.

So it's been a year and a half. Made any progress?

DAVID KEENE, AMERICAN CONSERVATIVE UNION: We checked with the FEC today, Bill, and they said they're not going to tell us anything, that the investigation is still active.

We can be thankful these aren't the guys that had to investigate Enron, because it would have taken half a century for them to get to anything.

O'REILLY: Well, Enron...

KEENE: The fact of the matter is...

O'REILLY: Enron's not perking along too well either. There are no indictments there, and...

KEENE: Well, that's true.

O'REILLY: ... they've -- and those guys have been down there running up big tabs now for about eight months. But...

KEENE: I'll tell you the evidence we gave them was pretty simple...

O'REILLY: Yes, it is.

KEENE: ... and -- and anybody who had taken a look at it would have said at the time, "Yes, he violated the law."

O'REILLY: Spell out...

KEENE: These were not gray areas.

O'REILLY: Spell out the evidence...

KEENE: They were clear.

O'REILLY: Mr. Keene, spell out the evidence for us, OK?

KEENE: Well, Jesse Jackson, during the presidential campaign, campaigned all across the country for the Gore-Lieberman ticket. The Democratic Party transferred money into a state campaign fund, which he then transferred into a federal PAC and used to pay his expenses.

The Democratic Party reimbursed expenses that were paid by non- profits, tax-exempt groups, that Jesse Jackson had, and it's illegal for them to be doing that sort of thing. The evidence was very clear. Where he was going was clear. What he did was clear.

It was covered by the media, and he just thumbed his nose at the law. And, in fact, if you look at the way things have turned out, I guess it was rational for him to thumb his nose at the law because nobody ever does anything about anything that Jesse does.

O'REILLY: No, they don't do anything about it. Well, as you know -- and I don't know whether your organization took your cue from us, but we got a hold of his tax returns, and they're outrageous.

KEENE: That's right.

O'REILLY: I mean, there's unexplained millions missing. There are and payments to his mistress.

KEENE: Let me say this. We not only complained to the Federal Election Commission. We complained to the Internal Revenue Service because he has a tax exemption. He's violated the rules there.

And we asked Bill Thomas, the chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee, for public hearings looking into this sort of thing. Thomas and his staff indicated a year and a half ago that they would support public hearings and, since then, have done absolutely nothing.

So, whether you're looking at the executive branch, law-enforcement people...

O'REILLY: They're all...

KEENE: ... or the congressional branch, nothing is happening...

O'REILLY: All right. We'll call Thomas.

KEENE: ... and Jesse Jackson continues on.

O'REILLY: We'll call Thomas on Monday and see what -- if he's going to do anything.

KEENE: Well, I hope you do more good than...

O'REILLY: The Federal Election Commission -- they're not going to do anything, but they say the investigation -- why won't they tell you at least where the -- you're the plaintiff here, OK?

KEENE: Well, the rules -- the rules for the FEC are that, once you make the complaint, they essentially shut up and investigate it. You don't hear anything until it's resolved.

O'REILLY: And then they're going to tell you there's no...

KEENE: The problem is...

O'REILLY: ... there's no basis for it, right, and -- but you're not going to get any -- any back or explanation. They'll just say, "Hey, Mr. Keene, no basis for it."

KEENE: Not unless they take action.

O'REILLY: Right. So you know what the game is. And then the IRS -- I mean, they're not -- that's a whole secret thing anyway, and they're not going to give you...

KEENE: Right. The IRS, for legitimate reasons, doesn't issue information on investigations.

O'REILLY: Right.

KEENE: I buy that.

O'REILLY: So, basically, you're not getting any...

KEENE: But the House committee is responsible for our tax laws, has every right and every obligation to look into this. I mean, this is a guy who's been conning the American people for decades. Everything is about Jesse. He ignores the laws. He ignores the rules. He...

O'REILLY: Sure.

KEENE: He plays his own game, and he gets away with it because nobody does anything about it.

O'REILLY: That's true. And, I mean, we have pointed it out time and time and time and time again.

Now we're going to call Thomas, as I mentioned. We'll tell everybody next week what the congressman says. And my opinion is they're afraid of Mr. Jackson. They don't want to be labeled racist.

Do you think there's any other element in it?

KEENE: I think that and just the general inertia that you have in this town about doing anything that's controversial, but they -- but Jesse calls anybody he disagrees with racist.

He's been doing it since he got out of the University of Illinois, which he called a racist institution, and the year he said he had to leave because he said it was a racist institution, they had a black quarterback. He didn't make the team. He left.

So this is a guy about whom everything in the world is about. I mean, he -- it's about him. It's not about race. It's not about these institutions. It's about...

O'REILLY: No. it's about money.

KEENE: ... Jesse Jackson.

O'REILLY: And money.

KEENE: And money.

O'REILLY: He made a very, very nice living for himself, Mr. Keene.

All right. Let us know if anything happens. We don't think it will. And we'll get on Thomas and see what he's doing.

KEENE: I will. Thanks a lot.

O'REILLY: Thank you. OK.

We'll wrap things up with the "Most Ridiculous Item of the Day" and some of your mail in a moment.


To arrange for an interview with ACU Chairman David Keene contact Ian Walters at (703) 836-8602 x16 or by email at iwalters@conservative.org

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